Jane: Lets just backtrack a bit there. And although I stand by the position I took in court, in regard to the allegations that I ended up being found guilty of, my view is still that I didnt break the law. Why the Conservative machine turns a blind eye to racism, Memo to Labour: make local politics a national issue, If anti-semitism isnt challenged then the fight against racism is doomed, Netflixs endless cancellations signal the end of the prestige streaming TV era, The best holiday cottages for a stunning UK minibreak, Podcast episodes to make you more productive in 2023, Vivienne Westwood didn't just make British fashion she was British fashion, The 15 most anticipated TV series of 2023, from, Print copies & Digital access for only 1. A thoroughly depressing experience, with barbed wire around you and over you, actually, to stop helicopters coming in. So its just too easy, I think, either for him or for me to say, I wish it had never happened, because you make decisions in the moment. And one of the ways of doing that is making sure everyone is wearing the same clothes when they arrive. He was scheduled to stand trial in April 2015 but the trial was postponed to 11 May 2015 because of the general election. That doesnt mean that Im pleased it happened, Im not. And its going to be Groundhog Day and actually the consequences of that trial could be even worse in Scotland and then a whole load of politics attached to that and theres a whole load of new agendas. The Guardian said that the disclosure "is understood to have 'absolutely shocked' some Whitehall information staff. If resilience is genetic then I think Ive definitely benefitted in that regard. I just wish that it hadnt happened. I think on one level the answer was yes, because it was just so long. Because they, obviously, are the most important thing in my life, along with Eloise, and I wanted them to see that I was OK. Coulson replaced Rebekah Wade as editor in 2003. Andy: It was boiling hot and it was a glorious summer, as I said. Your job is to be judgemental. "[53] These charges were made about 1 year after the Metropolitan Police Service reopened its dormant investigation into phone hacking,[54] about 3 years after the then Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service told the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee that "no additional evidence has come to light,"[55] 5 years after Coulson and News International executives began claiming that phone hacking was the work of a single "rogue reporter,"[56] 10 years after The Guardian began reporting that the Met had evidence of widespread illegal acquisition of confidential information,[57] and 13 years after the Met began accumulating "boxloads" of that evidence, including sources for News of the World journalists while Coulson was editor, but kept it unexamined in trash bags at Scotland Yard. His pay was 140,000, the highest paid special advisor. Its that judgement thing again, you know. Andy: You have to sit there on your own while the rest of your fellow inmates are with their families. So, when you came back after being found guilty and before going back to be sentenced, you had that time at home. [15] Other defendants were cleared. And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. Andy: On the morning that I knew I was going to prison, I went to the back of my garden (I live out in the country), I went over the fence and into a field and then eventually I arranged for a local cab. And politics is an hourly crisis, right? Certainly, when you find yourself in crisis and thats also, more importantly, just not how I see it. I had plenty of offers and I just didnt. Andy: Well Belmarsh is also a building thats out of central casting, if I can put it that way. I dont think its something that you sort of say right, great, Ive done that, thats finished. I dont need you take my advice but I do need you to listen to my advice. What I was reading, I disagreed with. Why are you doing it now? And no one can give you that answer in advance. David Cameron's former spin doctor Andy Coulson was among seven people in court earlier charged in connection with the phone hacking scandal. Jane: So how did you find out, or when did you find out that you were being moved? Andy: No, as I say, only during the course of a very long trial in the Old Bailey where I answered every question, I gave full evidence and answered every question that was asked of me by a fair number of lawyers and a judge. Series 2. I think it was wrong. [44] And Clive Goodman, in a letter from 2007: "The practice was widely discussed in the daily editorial conference, until explicit reference to it was banned by the editor. People treated us with respect and we did the same. [15], Coulson was also tried over charges that he committed perjury in the evidence he gave in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan in 2010. And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. Speaking outside the court, Coulson said: "I'm just delighted that after four pretty testing years my family and myself have finally had a good day". Funny, at least for the first 10 times. But youve never shared your own experience. Journalist and political strategist, Andy Coulson was editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . Long before, in truth. Do you sort of feel, oddly, that all that crisis brought you closer together? Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. It's only the bloody Stig.This Just In is an online comedy service . Andy: I dont know the answer to that. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. Ask me if I felt I should have been convicted and the answer is obviously no because I pleaded not guilty. Coulson Brothers now has the largest capacity on the Muskoka lakes, with five barges capable of transporting any size or weight. How can I do that? Andy Coulson arrives at the Old Bailey on July 4, 2014 in London, England. Shes just not got a bitter bone in her body. And funnily enough, the governor, or the duty governor, pulled me out of the cell one night to ask me whether or not I was OK because he had read the report. Im with a bunch of other people who are in the same situation as me and Ive just got to make the best of it really. [64] In October 2013, it was revealed that Coulson had had an affair with Rebekah Brooks that lasted from 1998 to 2007. And, of course, we became friends because we worked together a long time and David and his family went through, as everyone remembers, some truly appalling times during the period. The judge actually criticised the timing of the statement and said he was unsure whether it was out of ignorance or deliberate. Andy: Yeah, my view was that they had absolutely every right to be at the end of my drive and they had every right to try and get a picture of me and I had every right to avoid it. Various media stories estimated his salary at between 275,000[26] and 475,000; the party indicated the latter figure was "inaccurate" and that his salary was "substantially less" but refused to provide an exact figure. Andy: I think if people want to talk about my time at the News of the World, that conversation should always start with an apology and I have apologised several times. No one knew that at that stage. I was told, because there was a view that the Scottish case, because it was such a nonsense, would be dropped. Fair enough, really. And when you see young men being separated from their families in that way, it is profoundly depressing. Lots of people were sending me books and I wasnt allowed to have them because they were, I thought rather ridiculously, banned at that stage by a former colleague of mine, Chris Grayling. Jane: So youd make a lousy newspaper editor now? On 21 November 2014, Coulson was released from prison having served less than five months of his 18-month prison sentence. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. Jane: Between the jury verdicts at your trial, David issued an apology for hiring you and said it was wrong. Andy: I dont know about that, but when I went to work for David, funnily enough the whole friendship thing came up quite quickly because not long after Id started to work for him there was a moment when I picked up the newspaper on a Saturday morning and I was learning things that I didnt know about what David was going to do with regards to a trip, I think it was. Did you do a lot of that? I knew nothing about it, obviously. Getty Images offers exclusive rights-ready and premium royalty-free analog, HD, and 4K video of the highest quality. Jane: Does David Cameron get the silver medal? This article is more than 8 years old Andy Coulson, the criminal who had David Cameron's confidence Former No 10 spin doctor is found guilty of hacking charge while Rebekah Brooks is cleared of. Ask away. And then I noticed that the windows of the Serco van that I was in were rose-tinted. He had not been subjected to the highest level of vetting, "developed vetting", allowing unrestricted access to top secret material. Id start with that, I think. And so invariably youre stood behind another prisoner as he makes his call and the amount of times that that prisoner would then turn away from the phone with tears streaming down his face was frequent. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. [8] He was detained and charged with perjury by Strathclyde Police on 30 May 2012 in relation to evidence he had given in the trial of Scottish politician Tommy Sheridan in 2010, and cleared on 3 June 2015. Its an audit, right, when these things happen in your life. Youve got to be either black or white. [52], On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3 October 2000 to 9 August 2006. Dublin. Where did the resilience come from, do you think, to deal with that? And that is, I have to say, largely thanks to Eloise because shes, maybe well get on to it, the reason I got through is her. It was all part of that experience, it's what you have got to lean on and you change and you evolve and I definitely got to that point by the time I got to prison. Andy: Hindsight yeah, but honestly hindsight is pointless in my view, particularly when you are trying to get through the crisis. There was no brutality about it at all. And, in fact, the last words from one of those prison officers to me as I was about to get on the bus were, Keep your head down, youll get through it, life moves on. That must have felt weird, being the focus of the media storm? Andy: We had lunch and we talked about politics, as you might expect, and life after politics which is, of course, where he is now. But Ive got some good techniques now. View the profiles of professionals named "Andy Coulson" on LinkedIn. Again, that is what this podcast is mainly about. I never asked for any favours at all from anyone, but what I didnt think was fair was for me to be treated differently. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. That was very clear, I think. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. He was acquitted in two, including one in Scotland, but was convicted of conspiracy to intercept communications, or phone-hacking as it became known, and at the Old Bailey was sentenced to 18 months. We were doing, it sounds ridiculous, Dragons Den presentations of ideas for what they were going to do when they got released, and mock interviews. Ive got very used to that. And before I knew it, because its down underneath the Old Bailey where you get on the bus, you then go up a ramp and it was a gloriously sunny day, July the fourth, ironically enough, Independence Day 2014. The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. And the reason that Ive been able to, its been a long time since I came out of prison and the reason Ive been able to get back on my feet, Ive got a reasonably successful business now and Ive got some fantastic clients and colleagues, life is pretty good, and that is in large part due to her. But as I said in court, I made a lorry load of mistakes as an editor. And then the third thing would be what I actually send to every podcast guest, when its appropriate to do so. Coulson edited one of. At that stage there was a book ban in prisons, so no chance of getting any books at all. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. It is an audit on your life and your relationships and there were some people, I think, I expected more of them, if I can put it that way. And I totally accept that and I am very sorry for it. I didnt find it easy but Im glad, once we got to Hollesley Bay, Im very glad we did it. Andy: I have, yeah, and weve had that discussion. David Cameron appointed Coulson as communications director in 2007. Prison is a, very obviously, stark place but it is also packed with emotion. Nobody there wanted me to go. Hoare speaking on Five Live, Drive, 3 September 2010. Andy: Yeah, there was a report online, I think, that said that and it was complete nonsense, it didnt happen. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP Belmarsh. Almost from the start of the trial, actually, because the profile of the trial was so high. And even more delighted that there was a whole shelf of Dickens because I love a bit of Dickens. Because his family relocated frequently, he had lived in seven cities by the time he was 17. Find Andy Coulson's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. As a result we spent inordinate amounts of time just sat behind a door. I am very sorry for the mistakes that I made at the News of the World. In 2005, Andy Coulson was the award-winning editor of the News of the World, presiding over a culture of ruthless exploitation. So, actually, often there are these little small acts of kindness in prison, he didnt have to do it but he let me go to the phone and call Eloise and say that this things out there, but just be assured its total rubbish. How can I be the Director of Communications in Downing Street when Im on the front pages? Jane: Are you still friends? And it was, it was a much better regime. Its actually a relatively modern prison but its got, as anyone whos been there, either inside or visiting, will know, this enormous American-style prison wall around its perimeter, and massive gates. He added that the case against him had been a "waste of money". But I didnt have that because I knew that there would be one, possibly two more trials when I came out of Belmarsh. I suppose because the thing was so public and had been so long running, Ellie and I took the view that we werent going to try and attempt to hide any of it from them. I accepted the verdict in the end, or rather its consequences I accepted. When did you last speak to him? I wanted them to visit me in an open prison. Ask me where all the bad decisions are and there are quite a few, you might argue thats one of them. Jane: So, youve known the power and privilege of being a newspaper editor and advisor to David Cameron. We worked together for a long time. [32] It later emerged that he was still being paid by News International while working for the then opposition leader. Theres a lot of emotion, theres a lot of different emotions but that is definitely the feature in prison. When were your darkest days? One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. And I had so much incoming. Jane: Did you worry that it would come across as self-serving? I got told by a couple of prison guards, because I chatted to everyone, again, its the journalist in me, I had lots of conversations with other prisoners and with prison guards, prison officers and two of them actually told me, Youre just being put to the bottom of the pile, Andy. To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. [46][47], He was a witness in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan, where he denied under oath that he had any knowledge of phone hacking at the News of the World, or that he knew Glenn Mulcaire, the private detective at the centre of controversy. Actually, the most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy? Not that I was ever an MP. He thankfully survived and is perfectly fit and well now, but it was touch and go for a while and ask me those moments, you know, when your son is going into an operating theatre, compare that moment with the moment of going through the green door that I described; there is no comparison. Then we got word that, no it wasnt going to be, it was going to push on. My brother was there and one of my best pals, Kris, and there was a lot of manly hugging and goodbyes. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. Showing Editorial results for andy coulson. They were to work within the PCC code at all times". They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. Andy: Yeah, there came a point where I was told pretty formally, youre not going anywhere. Thats why I resigned from the News of the World and then when I was in Downing Street, Im there thinking how on Earth can I do this job? Which do you think it was? Thats the key; youve got to get the right therapist and not all therapists are right for all people. I was an editor of the News of the World for four years. But the net result of all that stuff that happened over the course of five years or more has definitely made us stronger as a family. So part of the evidence presented at the trial revealed that you had had an affair. And I just thought to myself, how the hell did I end up here? I left and David didnt want me to go. Andy: Yeah, yeah. Did you ever feel scared? Ive got a better understanding of myself, I suppose, without wishing to get too airy-fairy about it. And I tried to make the best of it. Jane: You dont really talk about yourself very much. I would say I felt anxious right at the start, because its the unknown. Jane: We talked a bit, obviously, there about family and knowing the value of your family. I have apologised during the trial and Ill do it again now, here. I remember reading, after I came out, that I had been released after just five months on good behaviour. The CPS said that witnesses interviewed by Metropolitan Police including those who had previously made allegations through media outlets had not been willing to provide admissible evidence. There are a lot of very bad people in there and there are also a lot of people like me who are transiting, if you like. I dont know, but it was incredibly frustrating. One of the principles of prison is that everyone has to be on the same level. Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. During the course of the first series, there have been a few moments where people have asked me, guests have asked me, about my own experiences and Ive been happy to give a response. And I thought, this is just hopeless, Im his Director of Communications and Im learning things in the paper. Very hard to get it down to 10 songs, let alone get it down to one, but I think if I had to choose one it would be Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard, which is a bit of a family anthem. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. Pic credit: CBS. [1] They have three children. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? Andy Coulson. No one wants to spend two months of their life in a high-security prison, certainly, but I was mainly concerned about my boys because I wanted to see them and I didnt want them to visit me in a high-security prison. I think thats probably about right and so I have no issue with other peoples views about me. Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. And Ive got to be honest with you, I think that is a change in me because as a newspaper editor, particularly, you are very judgemental. And before I knew it, much sooner than I thought, there was sun coming through the windows and then, again, it sounds strange, I suspect, to some people, but I just found the whole thing so utterly absurd. I knew that Eloise would have read it and I knew that my mum would have read it. Jane: So, youre packing your bag. Coulson was name-checked by Alan Partridge (Steve Coogan) in an episode of This Time with Alan Partridge (Series 02, Episode 02) during an introduction to a segment about law and order. In David Cameron: The Conservative-Liberal Democratic coalition government Andy Coulson, Cameron's communications chief, had already left that post in January of the same year in the wake of the growing evidence tying him to the scandal. You try and work out what you can take into prison and what you cant. The judge hearing Coulson's trial was critical of the prime minister, pondering whether the intervention was out of ignorance or deliberate, and demanded an explanation. So I rang him and we had a conversation and that led me to say: Look, youve got plenty of friends in your life, you dont need any more friends, thats not what this is about, but if this is going to work we do need to be straight with each other with what you are trying to do here. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. Coulson Partners offer strategic advice that moves the dial. There were so many different things that were unravelling in my life that I realised that if I tried to deal with them all, I would probably go mad. I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. In the same way, Jane, that I hope that people will not judge me entirely on my mistakes, Im not going to judge other people entirely on their mistakes. And suddenly youre sat in one of them. Actually, in the conversation with Chris Lewis we were discussing this. I was pretty unhappy about being put through a public enquiry on television before I got to trial. The problem was that I wasnt being categorised and I was told categorically, youre not going to get categorised. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968)[2][3] is an English journalist and political strategist. I didnt know what was going to happen and I didnt know what I was going to find. So, I got a lot of that. Andy: My sentence, having been found guilty of the crime, was probably about right. As a newspaper editor, its a weekly crisis, daily crisis when youre working on The Sun, which is of course where I spent most of my time, most of my career. I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. And Ive got to be honest with you, it was actually really interesting and quite rewarding work. And I thought that was very generous of them really. [35] Clients include 'One Young World'. [34], On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd'. Business City Spy: PR Week unveils its top spinners of the year. And then youre off and youre into the admission process which, again, is not especially pleasant, I have to say. [49], The Guardian reported on 7 July 2011 that Coulson was to be arrested the following day, along with a senior journalist whom the paper refused to name. I want to focus on what we dont know, which is obviously the theme of this podcast, and how you handled that crisis point of your life and, of course, the effect that it had on your family. And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. 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